If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. What a stupid thing to say. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. 11. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. 7. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated 8. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. N/A Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. 5. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. We told to get married. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. Again its too legalistic. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to Same position regarding IFB belief 29. This is because we live in this flesh. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). We believe in salvation by grace His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. 26. WebOur Mission. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. Whats wrong with a tract rack? Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. I forgave him before he changed. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. I dare say probably not. 31. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. This is an assumption.. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Many of these are down right untruthful . My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. I forgave through the example of Jesus. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 2. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 5 Hypocrite! Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). What sorrow awaits you! 38. This is the first and great commandment. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. Neither should control the other. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). They are already spelled out in the Bible. Its my calling and my ministry. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. 5 Everything they do is for show. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Or deciding not to clap for special music? On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. 26 You blind Pharisee! Sons of vipers! We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. Such as??? Care to elaborate, provide examples? Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Thats sweet. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. If you want a discussion ask for one. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. 2. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Abortion is murder. 45. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Apart from Him we can do nothing. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. They said no mixed bathing. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. The two are completely unrelated. Hypocrites! And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. The members were so sweet to us. If you party, DO NOT drink. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Thanks for reading! Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! When this life is over, it doesnt matter! People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. 9. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. Stil fit. Praise the lord for forgiveness. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. No one knew about the marriage except us. We will never attain that on this side. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. 6. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. I have no opinion on this 34. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist It didnt raise red flags for me. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT.
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