Colt change the SAA!? Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). Thats intentional. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. Id have to go with the DA revolver. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. Glock firearms Instructor. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). I have four. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. But thats good. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Didnt check that the gun was clear. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. Not thinking human beings. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. . Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. 1; 2; Next. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em . The fact remains, we are always training. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. In fact, Ill prove it. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. Lol. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Same here. Hell, try it with a taser. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. True dat. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Good username though. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? Heres a link to it. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Still no safety. I answered the asked question. Just saying. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Especially in a stressful situation. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. Unlikely. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 If you liked this article, you might be interested in one I wrote all about Glocks Safe Action System. A S&W Model 329. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. sanctimonious what iffers But the real benefit is in the noise. Save Share. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? It should stay the way it is. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. israeli carry is stupid. Absolutely. I wouldnt worry about it. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. These are: 1. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Glock 17. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. Same here. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. . Usually for at least an hour or so. Does the Glock fire then? Answer (1 of 104): For me. Glock 23 Handgun. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Second, they also trained. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. In addition to this, some manufacturers have added manual lever safeties to their firearms and XDS has the grip safety as well. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. you roll the dice. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. De nada. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. I asked administrator. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. 19th century Colt hammers. The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. Maybe I counted wrong? I also felt the same way. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. Not an appreciable amount of time. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have become very popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. MOLON LABE. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. No permits needed, no interference from the State. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. I carry a LC9, no problem. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . Two is one, one is none. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. But still a nice catch. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. And so easy to correct. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. There we go. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Marshals (1998). Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. JavaScript is disabled. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. I doubt it. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Fat troll. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Is really shouldnt be that hard. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. OH NO! Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. You learned something. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. What is your birthday including time and birth location? Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? I still get the occasional email notification. This is the inherit design of a sticker fired pistol. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . Amen brother. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. With any decent holster you will be fine. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. There is also one of an off duty cop pulling up his pants and firing his clip draw equipped pistol. If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. So Move. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? Victoria: Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. What you are overlooking is the odds. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. . Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! Nope. Thats when I started looking for a better way. Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. And I do not carry them ever. And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. Jun 4, 2009. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). The Israelis do it, and I do too.
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